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Use of
luminous and/or fibre optic sights
Number of rounds loaded – International 1920 Match
Position of 10m paper targets in the target carrier
WA1500 - Reloading when changing positions
25 Yards BP
RF Stage without loading benches
Sight Ribs / 25 Yards Service
Pistol
Load too many pellets in Air
Pistol
25M ISSF – when must the shooter be
at the READY
Re: order of fire for barricade series – Service and
wa1500
Re: with the new rule re 1
malfunction, what happens if you have a malfunction in the re-shoot?
Re: can you shorten the cylinder on a 25 Yard service
pistol?
Re electronic hearing protection
Re ‘blinders’ for ISSF competitions (see also latest on blinders)
Re: Tennis elbow & support bands on the arm
Re: What’s happening to Rapid Fire Pistol REVISED
Re: Loading procedures, PA 25 m Black Powder: REVISED
Re: Reshoots after a Non-allowable Malfunction REVISED
Can luminous and/or fibre optic sights be used in PA events?
Response
Re inquiry
on use of TruGlo tritium, tritium/fiber
optic and fiber optic handgun sights in PA events
Sights
incorporating various ‘light gathering’ inserts have been around for many
decades.
Tritium
inserts are the combination of Tritium (a radioactive isotope of hydrogen) and
a phosphor to provide a light emitting insert – many luminous applications are
in use (e.g. luminous watch dials, various novelty items, etc.) are produced
using this combination.
It
should be noted that there are a number of safety concerns relating to
Tritium/phosphor devices. There is a ban
in several EU countries on the inclusion of radio-active materials into common
goods like watches, etc. and in these countries tritium sights are forbidden to
sell, to own, to use, to import and to export: this would preclude their use by
an Australian competitor at any competition within these countries.
I offer
no advice on the suitability for PA competitions of sights incorporating inserts
of light transmitting or generating materials, other than to suggest that they
can always be covered with sight black.
The
manufacturer’s illustrations of the sights do not appear to have any
adjustments for windage or elevation and this aspect might be of concern to
some Firearms Registries.



Compliance
with the relevant competition rules of ‘open sights’ incorporating light
gathering and/or luminous inserts.
ISSF
Pistol
Technically
there is no reason why these sights would be in conflict with the ISSF pistol
rules.
PA
Service Pistol / Service Pistol Unrestricted / 25 Yards Service Pistol
Technically
there is no reason why these sights would be in conflict with the PA ‘Service’
rules.
PA
Black Powder
Technically
there is no reason why these sights would be in conflict with the PA Black
Powder rules.
IMSSU
Pistol
·
Production
I am
unaware of any ‘Production’ pistol used for IMSSU that incorporates these
sights, and any replacement sights would need to comply with the Production
class rules
·
Unlimited
Technically
there is no reason why these sights would be in conflict with the IMSSU pistol rules.
·
Field Pistol
Technically
there is no reason why these sights would be in conflict with the IMSSU pistol
rules.
International
1920 Match
·
Open
Technically
there is no reason why these sights would be in conflict with the Bianchi
pistol rules.
·
Metallic Sight
Technically
there is no reason why these sights would be in conflict with the Bianchi
pistol rules.
·
Production
These
sights would only be compliant for a pistol or revolver which is, or has been, a
catalogue item readily available to the general public equipped with these
sights.
WA1500
·
150-shot events
Technically
there is no reason why these sights would be in conflict with the WA1500 rules.
·
60-shot Distinguished Revolver
These
sights would only be compliant for a pistol or revolver which is, or has been,
a catalogue item readily available to the general public equipped with these
sights.
·
60-shot Distinguished Semi-automatic
Open
sights from any manufacturer are acceptable provided they of similar style to
the original. Whether the use of inserts
could comply with “…similar style to the original…” would be a matter for the
WA1500 to resolve: none were presented at the 2007 World Championships for this
category with this type of sight inserts.
·
48-shot events are not
included as these are not PA events at this time.
Spencer
Tweedie
NRC
Director
I am going to shoot NRA 1920 matches somebody brought up a good point
Are you limited in how many rounds you can load in your gun?
I am using a Smith and Wesson 686 plus which is a 7 shot revolver can i load all the cylinders ?
I was sure you could but somebody told me i am limited to 6
Response
There is no limit on the number of rounds you can load; indeed,
some semi-auto shooters load 10 in each magazine.
Regards,
Spencer
Spencer
I recently got hold of a copy of the NRA Rules pertaining to
the 1500 match.
Two things stood out-(1) skid shots were allowed (within
generous parameters), and (2) there did not appear to be any provision for
penalties for foot faults, etc.
Was this the case in the recent Nationals, or were these
transgressions treated as per Service Pistol?.
Response
to WA1500
In
order:
1. One of the major problems is that there are not yet any
‘complete’ WA1500 Rules. Further the NRA
rulebooks are not as specific as we are accustomed with other shooting events.
2. Skid shots are as for other NRA-based events; i.e., 1.5 x
bullet diameter. (i.e. use the NRA-style overlays for scoring shot values and
skid shots)
3. Procedural Penalties, including Foot Faults are -10 (X)
These
were the procedures for the Nationals
Regards,
Spencer
Could you let me know ASAP, as
another competition 1500 Match is programmed to be shot in conjunction with the
ASG.
Spencer
In regard to SA grip safeties, I had the idea that for 1920,
PA was using the same rule as for Service Match.
Which is, as I was aware, safety de-activated
, eg. by pining, not taped down.( this is for
within Aust. )
Am I wrong & PA has adopted NRA all safeties must work?
Response
to Grip Safeties
PA took
this up with our insurers, and has not been able to resolve the insurance issues.
In
absence of any clear indication that the insurance will cover any disabled
manufacturer’s safety feature (in this case the grip safety on 1911 type
frames), PA has no option other than to continue with the requirement for 1920
Match (introduced as from 1 Jan 2006) that all safety features be operational.
Regards,
Spencer
I have heard a rumour that a number of Air pi
wind-back target carriage
higher in the holder
di
I thought that the practice of putting a target behind the competition
target wa
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"no advantage..."
Your advice and comment
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problem with thi
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Regard
Spencer
Spencer,
With regard to the WA 1500 match, what i
Regard
Re
While
the World A
The
difficulty of the difference between the ‘Police & Service’ and ‘PA
Service’ procedure
The PA
Service matche
Regard
Spencer
In Black Powder 25m rapid fire the new rules state;
'When using separate tables for loading - at the call of "Assume the Ready (position I assume) wait 30 seconds and then call "Attention" and activate.
When not using separate tables for loading - at the call of "Assume the Ready (position I assume again) wait 15 seconds and then call "Attention" and activate.
What has the position of tables, or using separate tables or not, have to do with the amount of time before calling "Attention" and activate.
I would appreciate clarification on this matter. Thank you
Response
to 25 Yards BP RF Stage without loading benches
1. I must apologise for not answering the
first e-mail (it came in on my laptop while away from home and I did not flag
it for reply when I got back home)
2. Change to commands for RF Stage of 25m
Black Powder applies to both ‘at the bench’ and ‘separate tables behind’
When all
shooters have loaded capped, placed their pistol in a safe condition on the
bench, and stood back from the firing line,
“ASSUME
THE READY”
After 30 seconds,
“ATTENTION”
and activate the targets
Regards,
Spencer
With regard to the Service 25 yard match (formerly short barrel) there seems to be some controversy over the matter of equipment.
Could you please advise if rib sights may be fitted to custom made 25 yard Service guns?
Rib sights are a full length sight similar to those manufactured by Aristocrat.
There are several members of the club looking to have guns built and clearly they would like an interpretation of the rule before committing large sums of money on a gun that may end up being illegal.
Your early advice would be appreciated.
Response
to Sight Ribs
When the
25 Yard Service Pistol rules were changed to reflect the changes to Australian
firearms legislation, many of the previous rules on barrels were no longer
applicable as there were a number of ‘heavy’ barrelled revolvers available ex
factory.
Provided
S25/ 4.1.4 Only open sights are allowed, and S25/
4.1.4.1 Original factory pattern sights only are allowed, are met there is no
problem with sight ribs.
Regards,
Spencer
Hello,
could you please tell me where i can find answers to holstered safety issues 1- placing mag in pistol while holstered. 2- after series leaving slide open in holster. 3- loading mags while people forward of line.
thank you.
Response to Holster Safety
You do not specify which holster
match the questions relate to - given that holsters are used in a number of PA
events, there is no ‘one’ answer to questions 2 and 3.
1- Placing mag in pistol while holstered.
The
short answer is no.
Service
Pistol:
S 2.6 Loaded Pistols may be holstered only during and in
accordance with the course of fire and under the direct
command of the Range Officer.
I.e. by
implication from “…loaded pistols may be holstered…”,
the pistol is loaded before holstering – not after.
Service
Pistol Unrestricted and 25 Yards Service Pistol:
SU/S152.6 Loaded
Pistols may NOT be holstered at any time.
Inserting
a magazine would be considered loading the pistol, even if the magazine was
empty.
International 1920 Match:
Shooters
reload and re-holster immediately after each series, and complete this before
any personnel go forward for target changing.
The pistol is loaded before holstering, and not touched until the next
series commences.
WA1500:
As for
Service Pistol, there is a ‘LOAD’ command and shooters load and holster. Service Pistol rule S 2.6 can be taken as
applying.
2- After series leaving slide open in holster.
Service
Pistol / Service Pistol Unrestricted / 25 Yards Service Pistol / WA1500:
I can
see no safety problem with having the pistol with the slide open in the holster
between the command ‘UNLOAD’ at the end of a series and the next command to
‘LOAD”. Convenience would be another
matter - I would not as the pistol could get dirt, lint, etc. in the action,
and it would be a nuisance.
International 1920 Match:
Shooters
reload and re-holster immediately after each series, and complete this before
any personnel go forward for target changing
3- Loading mags while people forward of
line.
Service Pistol / Service Pistol Unrestricted:
S/SU/ 6.2.2 Before the beginning of each subsequent stage the shooter
must be allowed sufficient time to rearrange his equipment and reload magazines
or speed loaders.
While
the ru
25 Yards Service Pistol:
S25/ 6.3.1.1
The competitor places only the correct number of rounds that
are required for a particular stage, in a pocket (one only, and
the same pocket throughout the course of fire).
The pocket must be standard for the garment worn, not an addition to
accommodate ammunition for this competition.
No. Magazines are loaded during the course of
fire.
International
1920 Match / WA1500:
Shooters
reload and re-holster immediately after each series, and complete this before
any personnel go forward for target changing
What is the requirement on belt loops for holster matches, & where do I find them?
Response
re Holster Belt Loops
The
requirements for belt loops for PA Service Pistol were dropped several years
ago when PA adopted the same requirements as for the Bianchi Cup competition.
The
current Service Pistol holster equipment ru
Note:
S/ 2.6.2 Shooters must have successfully
completed the PA safe handling holster course and have possession of a current
proficiency card
S/
4.2.6.1 Holsters must be
practical, safe, serviceable, and suit the pistol used.
S/
4.2.6.2 Cross draw and shoulder
holsters are prohibited.
S/
4.2.6.3 Tie down rigs, visible or
otherwise, are prohibited.
S/
4.2.6.4 If
a retention device is used to pass a holster test, then the retention device
must be used throughout the match.
S/
4.2.6.5 Unsafe Holsters:
Match
Officials are required to prohibit the unsafe use of any holster by any
competitor. Therefore, in choosing a holster, and the position and manner in
which it will be worn, a competitor should give due regard to the safety
regulations in order to ensure that his choices are safely consistent with his
personal shooting style and stance.
S/
4.2.6.6 At
no time whether holstered or otherwise may a loaded pistol point rearwards.
S/
4.2.6.7 Whilst
holstered, the trigger of the pistol must be covered.
S/
4.2.6.8 The suitability, position
and compliance will be tested at Equipment Control, and may be re-examined at
any time during practice and competition.
Regards,
S
Dear
sir,
Re your excellent revision of
the teaching of air pistol ru
It had never happened
previously to me and as the only judge present a immediate "judge’s"
decision was made to cancel the target and replace it with a new one as I
considered that BOTH pellets would have been affected by the double mass and
neither would have hit in the position of a single pellet; AND IT WAS NOT
SOMETHING WHICH ANY SANE PERSON WOULD DO DELIBERATELY. My recollection is
that my decision was accepted by all concerned.
I now come to my current
problem - My copy of the ISSF Ru
Would you please enlighten me, just in case it happens to me again????
Response to Load too many pellets in Air
Pistol
1.
Detected before the
shooter fires the shot(s)
Shooter
may ‘unload’ – though this is not expanded on…. The usual rod down the barrel
to clear the pellet/s, if this is not achievable within a reasonable time (e.g.
nobody has a suitable ‘rod’
readily available) then;
I
personally would accept a range official directing the shooter to fire the
shot/s AT THE TARGET (for safety), and annul the target. This would be within the intent of
8.4.3.1.1.1
2.
Detected after the
shooter fires the shot/s – as per ru
Regards
S
Hello
Spencer,
I
hope alls well with you all at the NRC.
I
got a sample of a .38 cal 148 hollow base swaged lead wadcutter which is
electroplated with copper. The question obviously is will it be legal for
service match,WA1500 etc. This product almost totally
eliminates lead exposure [95%].
Your
verdict would be appreciated, if you want a sample I have one left which I
could cut in two length ways.
Cheers
Response to ‘Coated’ Projecti
‘Gilded’, ‘washed’, and ‘plated’
projecti
The question of determining what is a ‘lead’ projectile, and
what is ‘jacketed’ sometimes gets to be a fine line.
Some time back, Les Spurrier came up a fairly simple test;
haw difficult is it to scratch through the coating? If the coating can be easily scratched off
they have been acceptable; if not, not acceptable
This then brings up the definition of ‘easily scratched
off’. In the past, Les and I have used a
fairly basic application of dragging the blade of a pocket-knife along the
projectile in question and evaluating how easily the lead is exposed.
Suggest you try this yourself before sending a ample.
Hope this helps,
Spencer
Note – this one is still being ‘mulled over’; the sample
forwarded does not pass the ‘easily scratched off’ test.
Can you please clarify and answer the following; as it has caused some discussion between coaches and Judges:
In Centre-fire/Sport Rapid Fire Stage & Standard pistol (20 & 10) where shooters choose to rest their pistol/hand on the bench; then at the call of "ATTENTION" and facing away of the targets, the shooter lifts off the bench up to their approximate aiming area (i.e. aligning their sights & position & completing a full lift), then lowers the pistol to the "READY" position before the target faces.
Is this allowable?
Response to 25M ISSF – when must the shooter be at the READY
Well! Hello to an oldie, but a goodie (along with
determining the 45° in the Ready Position, and shooters standing too close to
the edge of the firing bench/table)!
1.
What are the applicable ru
The
Ready Position
8.6.1.3
In the
25 m Rapid Fire Pistol Event, the 25 m Pistol and 25 m Center
Fire Pistol Rapid Fire Stages and the 25 m Standard Pistol 20 seconds and 10
seconds series, shooting must start from the READY position. In the READY
position, the shooter's arm must point downward at an angle of not greater than
45 degrees from the vertical, but must not be pointed at the ground within the
forward edge of the firing point. The arm must remain stationary in this position
while waiting either for the appearance
of the target or, when electronic scoring targets are used, for the green
light(s) to come on.
8.6.1.4
If a shooter raises his arm too soon, or
does not lower it sufficiently (see
8.5.2.5 and 8.6.1.3) in the 25 m Rapid Fire Pistol Event or in the Rapid Fire
Stage of the 25 m Pistol or 25 m Center Fire Pistol
Event, or in the combined 20 seconds and 10 seconds stages of the 25 m Standard
Pistol Event he must be warned by a Jury Member (see 8.5.2.5), and the series
must be recorded and repeated. Etc. …
RFP
8.6.4.8.5
…At the
command “START” the target timer mechanism must be started. The shooters must
be in READY position at the end of the countdown 1…
8.6.4.8.6
Before
each series the shooter must lower his arm and adopt the READY position. The
shooter's arm must remain stationary before the green lights come on, or the targets appear (see also 8.6.1.2
and 8.6.1.3).
‘Sport’
/ CF Rapid Fire Stage
8.6.4.9.3.4
Before
each shot the shooter must lower his arm and adopt the READY position. His arm must remain
stationary before the green light comes
on, or the target appears (see also 8.6.1.2 and 8.6.1.3).
8.6.4.9.3.5
The
pistol must not be rested on the bench, or shooting table, during the
series.
Standard
8.6.4.10.4
Before
each series except in the 150 second series the shooter must lower his arm and
adopt the READY position. His arm must remain stationary before the green light comes on, or the target appears (see also 8.6.1.2
and 8.6.1.3).
2.
What do these ru
When
does the shooter have to come to the Ready Position for the start of a series?
Nowhere
do the ru
May the
shooter ‘rest’ the pistol on the firing bench/table while waiting for the
command ‘ATTENTION’?
Nowhere
do the ru
The
‘remain stationary’ bit
·
The ru
·
The ru
§
The intent IS that the shooter comes from a stationary ‘Ready Position’
to raise the pistol to the target; i.e. not gain any advantage by starting to
raise the arm above the required 45° too soon, nor gain an advantage by having
the arm in upwards motion even though it is still below 45° when the target/s
begin to face.
§
The intent IS NOT that the shooter has to be absolutely motion
3.
A personal example, or two…
Center Fire Pistol –
Rapid Fire Stage:
·
I shoot revolver in
Centre Fire, and I do not use a stopwatch to check when the minute to load is
about to expire (as a bonus, I am not hassled if a RO is a second or two out on
timing the ‘minute’)
·
I am one of those
shooters who do not take anywhere near a minute to load and prepare for a Rapid
Fire Stage series (some do, I don’t)
·
I typically dry-fire on
the empty chamber during the time before ‘ATTENTION’: I then rest the pistol on
the firing bench/table (with due care to the direction of the pistol) – in all
this I am not infringing any ru
§
Sometimes when using
this procedure I get myself ready for the command ‘ATTENTION’ by taking a last
sight picture and coming to the Ready Position before the RO gives the command
§ Sometimes I am a second or two late: I know that there should be 7 seconds be